In his story he goes downstairs & hears commotion goes into the bedroom & sees Bella on her bed with covers off & then Shannan on top of CeCe. And then I freaked out and hurt her., He whispered, Sheshe smothered them. In terms of your comments about respect, you clearly have no respect for my work. From what I understand its not possible to swallow fluids once youre dead. Police saw a bed sheet. Nick Van Der Leek is the owner of this site and you are invited to comment, which is a privilege and we should be grateful. "Chris Watts Just Snapped" "Why wasn't Shan'ann's body dumped into the oil tanks as well?" #Shakedown's Call on the Chris Watts Case: The Bodies were "Processed" Think before you speak, Im glad he will never be out of his jail cell. Ive seen hundreds of bodies both recently deceased and WELL decomposed and I can assure you- while SOME bodies dedicate/urinate due to the relaxing of muscles at the time of death- its certainly not most. If she was murdered in bed, why isnt there any evidence of that? This sick bastard should have done everyone a favor and took his own life. I cant believe the police let them stay in there. Chris was plainly seen in the neighbors security video loading a red gas can into the back of his truck. Chris only had one small scar on his body, consistent with this theory. Told everyone I was bipolar, that we were divorced, even took me to one of his counseling sessions to prove I was the one with the problem. IF the girls were sedated (with ShanAnns leftover oxycodone) before suffocation, it would have been very easy to make sure they were both in diapers CeCe was still wearing nighttime diapers at least, and these would have served for an incapacitated Bella they didnt need to be the right size, since she wouldnt be moving around. Ive slept in my bra for 25 years since I got my first breast implants. Scares me honestly. In the interrogation CW was blaming Shannan for killing the girls, and in the next breath trying to protect NK. He snapped and I was terrified of him. Was the examiner not able to determine the order in which Shanann and the girls were killed? Seemed to me like she kept everything clean that you could see. Christopher was sentenced to life in pri In the video of Chris Wattss confession, previously published on CrimeOnline, investigators appear incredulous that he was able to fit the bodies into the tanks, but Watts claimed he was able to do so without difficulty. Not everyone poops when they die, in fact most do not. Knowing that his neighbor had a camera, he has a reason to leave at that time. Can anyone comment about the oil content in the one childs stomach? I find it more comfortable & Ive always been afraid of sagging. Believe meeven the worst of the worst, hardened criminals do NOT like baby killers.they WILL do to him what he did to his babiesjust a matter of time one of those inmates having NOTHING to lose, lifetime sentences.CW is NOT going to live long once hes let out of his isolated cageGuards will make sure a door gets left open, backs turnedthey HATE baby killers toowe all do. He would have had more than enough access to ethanol or similar alcohols. How was she with her phone? Its in the autopsy x. The girls were described as light sleepers, and I wonder if this was because in fact they were sleeping too much, because wow, that is a lot of sleep, even for their ages. Ive linked an article below for everyone to read about how harmful perpetuating this lie is. like others, cannot wrap my brain around his behavior. If you read through the autopsies very well you will see that the oldest girl, Bella, actually bit her tongue several times and had many injuries in her mouth. They didnt do date nights. External bruising may have been caused by the assailant releasing the victim after killing by stranglehold, and the victim falling onto an object which would cause small circular patternation and subsequent bruising. Typo. I love that guy. SWs flight delay was bad news, but since hed already gotten the girls out of the way, there was nothing left but to proceed with getting rid of SW and he almost got away with it. Shannan's cause of death was strangulation while an autopsy found crude oil in Bella and Celeste's throats, stomach and lungs. I think His story is believable. The bra thing means nothing, my daughter is big busted as well and slept in her bra when she was pregnant because her breasts that were tender were less bothersome at night if she wore one. Thats fine, but since thats the case, its better that you head elsewhere where youll feel more comfortable. Yes, Posted Youtube videos shows that her office was messy. I did hear shananns mom say let them in her daughters house. Then again she was dressed for bed. It makes the crime even more heinous in my mind because it would have required a lot of thought concerning the logistics. The Watts family killings and the financial devastation, infidelity, and what appears on the videos as a mindless neglect of the children overlay all these sad accounts. Id recite a few examples from case law but I dont think youre really here to discuss anything. Gastrointestinal Tract: @nickvdl Hi. Bella was face up, so oil had oozed into her stomach and lungs. Also, he usually goes to the office in the morning and then goes out to the sites but the night before he called and told a coworker he was going to the site. The LeVel MLM was a huge contributing factor in this familys financial collapse. Good point! I have come to think of her OCD tendencies as a bit like the way she was around her kids. Shananns Autopsy Report states, There is a linear array of variably sized, purple black circular defects which extend from the inferior aspect of the chin, along the jawline, up the left aspect of the face, towards the left temporal area. And in his own words under his own free will he admitted he act it killed his kids twice before that was ever said. Between the two preferences, a lot of interaction was visible. People with OCD can have obsessions related to a wide variety of things, including losing control, hurting others, unwanted sexual thoughts, and many more. He added Shannan in as an after thought, or Shannanor my wife . Part of the evidence that he put into the trash. I am 57, I weigh 132 lbs.. .,,, I had my husband straddle my chest and pin my arms down and Im telling you right now, I could not move. After reading your response Im wondering if this was filled with ethanol or some similar agent. Watts has since pleaded guilty to killing his wife and daughters, as well as a charge of unlawful termination of a pregnancy. Watts claimed that he snapped and strangled his wife when he found her murdering the girls, but he later pleaded guilty to all three murders. I approached an expert to get his take on it, and was a little disappointed by his findings: https://crimerocket.com/2018/12/17/thomas-molletts-forensic-report-on-shanann-watts-post-mortem-blood-alcohol-level/. Thoughts? Also, we usually can find some urine, fecal material, body fluid on the bed sheet and the quilt. Completely empty stomach contents doesnt necessarily indicate they died when Shanann died. Like 1 in the kitchen by her purse. I have a question. Like you, I was suspicious about the DAs assessment. 1. My opinion, when Nicole Atkinson said Shanann was OCD, I think she was using the term loosely, as a description, not a diagnosed disorder. If the oil got into her stomach by being submerged in the tank then shouldnt CeCe have oil in her system too. Your email address will not be published. I think he snapped, pulled her off of Cece punched her in the face to knock her out and then strangled her with one hand. So weird. That got me too it sounded more like Shanann was trying to do CPR if she was already blue! I am by no means defending him. Based on Shanann having no defensive wounds, just the marks on her neck, I think he waited for her in bed, then after he felt she was either asleep or fully relaxed he rolled over on top of her and pinned her down somehow and then gripped around her neck. They were smothered. They were out of town and it was still spotless. However, this method is especially brutal, sadistic, and intimate, as he he would see their dying eyes. @Nick I thought the bedsheets in the bedroom were soiled? She asked him to keep the receipt for taxes. This dog did not find any place of interest (both seemed to be keen on searching by the basement bed) But yeah I really think he was being nicer to her to assure she had her guard down when he murdered her; which was when she was sleeping, on the sofa upstairs on her phone or laptop, or god forbid he initiated some kind of intimacy that turned into her death. The kids died afterward, otherwise he would have to break bones due to rigor to get them through the hatch. If he straddled her chest, and pins her arms down with his knees, she would have been incapacitated. Rossen et al 1943 states that loss of consciousness occurs in five to eleven seconds where there has been carotid and vertebral artery compression. He kind of giggled & said like you mean like on TV like a magician. On Aug. 13, 2018, Chris strangled Shanann, 34, in their Colorado home. Unless I missed it? Not Shanann! LEE: Depends on sometime we find saliva, large amount of saliva, nasal secretion, mixed with small amount of blood on the pillow. You see any documents with that diagnosis? But its tough watching some of them, and at times I felt awful for all of themand the girls clearly did not want to be on camera while Shannan clearly wanted them TO be on camera. While officers were waiting, Christopher confessed to killing Shanann, and getting rid of the bodies of Celeste and Bella. Parents reach for any hope, even if the child is blue, even if rigor has set in, theyre desperate and people who are not emotionally involved as them, professionals,have to tell them its too late. Shanann is very OCD about organization and planned the entire wedding. No screams were heard in the middle of the night. Also ethanol in the oil would not seep into the spleen in a body in 3 days to produce a high level like that, besides most ethanol is extracted through many processes prior to any petroleum company dumping the waste oil. He dug the grave with a shovel. At least I would have. 75 mls is about 5 tablespoons or a third of a standard cup. I will say one thing CW did NOT doat least he didnt rape his baby girlsha, like that makes him a good man, Yo i bet that thrive shit gave her that gallstone. Maybe im not reading this correctly or i missed it but what proof does this autopsy shows that chris beyond a reasonable doubt killed his kids? Quick as law enforcement were to respond to the crime, by the time they recovered the remains of the two little girls, they had been chemical altered beyond recognition. Areas of bruising, internal. Would he have cleaned up Shannans stuff if he didnt kill them? Could be so because Shanann had no defensive wounds and he said she didnt fight. Do you think she was murdered elsewhere? Now thats one of the main ways that most lay people think of first but he was coming up with these weird ways but distancing himself from strangling. I wondered what became of the gas can. Everything you say can & has been disputed. How does pretending to be asleep and cowardice align with murder? Thats a power-nap another thing MLM folk are good at. If that were in fact the equivalent of an $80,000 *salary*, they wouldnt have been behind on their mortgage and HOA dues. Thats a harsh indictment to a woman who cant defend herself. Shanann Watts. It is my observation that Bella was unconscious but still breathing when she was and stomped on her head to get her into the tank. I didnt see any evidence that Shanann tried to defend herself, probably because he sat on top of her. Thanks! But, wait a minute, he is that selfish and only thinks of himself, and he is too much of a coward. https://jcp.bmj.com/content/54/5/348, This is why Shanann had no defensive injuries, and this technique would account for everything in her autopsy, from blood alcohol/ethanol levels to an unbroken hyoid bone When youre pregnant, your chest grows significantly and pretty rapidly- its completely understandable that she might have been wearing one to bed. He woke up at 5 a.m. to get ready for work, and they began talking about separating. The FBI agents had already profiled that the wife had been strangled because theyd been through the house with luminol & found no blood splatter, and because children were involved also believed smothering was involved. And then it was turned off. And the decision to move Chris out of state as well? Before I became a police officer- I was an EMT and I worked for 8 months for a company that transports dead bodies from where they die to funeral homes or the medical examiner. Nickole called Christopher Watts and requested he come home and check on Shanann. But the way he disposed of their bodies and took them out of school, I dont believe that at all. He said kidnap somebody, murder somebody. Read Thomas Molletts forensic report https://crimerocket.com/2018/12/17/thomas-molletts-forensic-report-on-shanann-watts-post-mortem-blood-alcohol-level/. Since its clear CW is a flagrant coward, I am finding it hard to imagine him having enough courage to have looked at her eye to eye while he was strangling her. And of course she loved her children, and she was a great mom. Im just saying if her friend had never come over. I wrote a book that tried to integrate information, not just throw the information in the air and shrug. Also, I highly doubt Shanann was killed by pulling her down onto her back. Like you, I believe the children were sedated, and possibly Shanann as well. I know it is morbid but I do hope that CW gets his just desserts in jail and those other inmates show him some of the terror that his beautiful girls would have experienced in the last moments of their life. Why else would he go there with 3 bodies? It was a matter of how they were immersed in the oil. But then I think if he didnt was he going to leave them at home alone all day? He knew this too, which is why he was so brazen using the card that weekend. @Carol: OCD appears at least 5 times in the Discovery Documents. Chriss demeanor was nonchalant. The graphic autopsy reports detail the condition of all three bodies after they were recovered from an oil site owned by Anadarko Petroluem, where Chris Watts buried them. He needed to be executed. https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/public_comments/trade-regulation-rule-disclosure-requirements-and-prohibitions-concerning-business-opportunities-ftc.r511993-00010%C2%A0/00010-57283.pdf. Not a chance she would have run the risk of waking up the children by going into their rooms she knew theyd be fine as shed often said Chris was a good Dad. I doubt shed just leave her phone and stuff downstairs like that. Late stage of pregnant. I know plenty of women who wear their bras to sleep, myself included. Also I agree much is still withhhed from the public. Ditto who died first and last. It's difficult to speculate what the norm would be in a criminal case, especially where an autopsy would need to be performed on both the mother . I cannot get over what he did. Youre not Shanann Watts. No traces of fecal material found, but in the Rohde case there were fecal traces. MYTH: OCD IS JUST ABOUT HAND-WASHING, CLEANING, AND BEING NEAT. When the girls were not at daycare, and at home, they took very long naps, and also had a 6:30 pm bedtime, sleeping 630-6:30. Her clothes were even coordinated by colour in the closet. As CrimeOnline previously reported, Chris Watts tried to pin the murders of 3-year-old Celeste and 4-year-old Bella on his wife when he first confessed to murdering Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant at the time. My youngest daughter slept in a bra as well. It was all a complete lie. I guess he did want to get rid of them all, and do it all over again with her. Chris Watts is a narcissistic cold blooded killer of children and their mother. One body was face down in the south side of the tank. Then I think he panicked and was scared and didnt know what to do. The autopsy report found that Shanann was in her second trimester of pregnancy and that the "largely decomposed fetus and placental unit" was found "expelled from the gravid uterus." Do you have any family that said she had OCD? CW planned it, read it up. They say: Chris told his father, She hurt them. How would you have reacted in her situation? Then he killed his daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3 at his job site on an oil field. On the police cams you can just see hi. A tee-shirt and undies is a Sleeping Uniform for many women, another fact. So its OCD when it comes to what people see, both house and life if you will..but a suitcase at 2 am, 4 months pregnant, I could easily see her saying nope to carrying that suitcase upstairs. I dont know her daily habits, but i use mine as an alarm. The male agent says did Shannan do one child & you the other? Shanann Was Wrapped in a Sheet & Buried in a Shallow Grave That Watts Dug With a Shovel Police reportsThe crime scene. Chris said that she often went straight to bed without showering after a flight, saying that shed shower and wash bedding to rid it of the airport in the morning. It is my opinion that one could not have this mix in the stomach unless it was swallowed and if the stomping on the head didnt bring Bella out of unconsciousness before being immersed in the oil, then she was very possibly (and hopefully) unaware of what was happening. Remember, she was pregnant. Her house was immaculate, I envy that she was able to keep everything like that. Page 582, 6. Hope he has a wonderful time rotting and thinking about what hes done to his family. I was VERY proud of my being able to take down the biggest man in my class. The entire thing is one of the worst cases Ive ever heard of- and I think about those poor responders who retrieved the bodies May they find peace from those memories some day soon. I would say the asshole probably turned them over or put the comforter over their faces and did it that way. Found this research paper a stunning indictment of Multilevel Marketing (MLM) industry. These are just my opinions (based on zero knowledge). It wouldnt have mattered about sleeping in the same bra and panties as shed travelled in she was going to be waking up at 4am when Chris woke as shed asked him to wake her and the hair care product purchase attempt was around 2am, so what would 2 more hours mean? The DA explained that it is due to decomposition and the body breaking down. Usually when suffocation happens, its not only quiet but you dont see the victims face, while strangulation you see it all. I am not saying he touched the purse. I know, Im a survivor of strangulation. Shannan would choke the like out of Watts before she hurt her kids. And, as you point out in one of your replies to anothers comment about the oil in her body, there was no oil in her lungs, in her stomach yes, in her lungs no. And to think CW called a co-worker @ 5pm to tell him that he would be going directly to the oil battery site and told the co-worker he didnt need to. Remember Nickols son found her cell phone in-between the cushions of the upstairs couch. Her office was described as unorganized and sort of messy, as were closets, drawers, and things out of sight. My theory is that he had started to be nicer to her, as evidenced by her text to her friend Cassie the night before she left for the trip. I have no insight? According to the Denver Channel, Watts received three life prison terms without the possibility of parole. It seems as if the account Chris gave once he was finally in jail and writing letters was the truth. He kills both witnesses and the rest is history. didnt attempt it herself. However, his zombie-murder persona wouldnt let think that far ahead. Thankyou Nick for all your studies, research and insights. Some people never saw. Once the body dies the lower digestive tract opens up. She texted her GF talking about her being a single mom when she separated from Chris. Maybe body positioning and gravity? The autopsy is commenced at 1030 hours, on August 17, 2018 on the body of Shanann Watts at the McKee Medical Center, Loveland, CO. That does not necessarily equate to being a psychiatric disorder, just personal empowerment. Hello everyone, I slept in my bras with all four of my pregnancies. And that she looked at him as she died. I think he had mental issues too. First off she was supposed to have been in a rage enough to have been snuffing the life out of her daughter & then when she sees the object of her rage that caused this who then starts to fight with her & strangle her she doesnt dig her nails into him anywhere? And so on. Then he felt he had to kill CeCe too. She texted him the morning she left for Arizona thanking him for letting her hold him that morning. But youre not thinking any further than that. Lack of petechiae. They manipulate, connive and plot. A Stranglehold can incapacitate and render unconsciousness within 5 11 seconds. 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