HMS Ganges organisation of meals - covering the galley in the Long Covered Way/messdeck dining, and the introduction of the CMG block /communal dining - dated 1952. c. Punishment of Juniors (U) at HMS Ganges dated 1970. d. Restrictions on the caning of boys as a punishment dated 1929-1931. later times). 1906. HP10 9TY. Well this seems a good time to see if this site works properly. The boy was made lower his trousers, but kept is underpants on, he was made to bend over a chair. First the older of the two, Maurice WRIGHT JX 657902. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. A Gannett Company. I allowed my head to tilt backward, sending my gaze to the very top, to the lightning conductor where the Button Boy stood on ceremonial occasions. It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. Doesnt sound too bad does it. John Garrett. There was a way to bypass it for cowards like me, but God help you if you tried using it. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS (Image: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS). Nevertheless, as bad and as cruel as I have describe Ganges, I remain proud to call myself a Ganges Boy. Rumour had it many years ago a boy did fall, bouncing off the safety net and through the Post Office roof. Hetzner Online GmbH, Industriestrasse 25, D-91710 Gunzenhausen, Germany +49 9831 505-0 abuse@hetzner.com. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. HMS Ganges was a training ship and later stone frigate of the Royal Navy. The mast has been a local landmark since it was. last entry 16.30 We are also please to welcome visitors at any other time by prior appointment - please telephone 01473 788315 or 01473 788723 to arrange this. On the remainder of the command 'Bayonets' the left hand pulled the bayonet from the scabbard, placed it on the barrel of the rifle and, with a quick twist of the wrist, secured it in place. I knew only when it was over would I then be able to call myself a true Ganges Boy and, some years later, a real sailor. The rest of the class were not pleased to suffer because of one boys stupidity and sometimes made a cruel point of letting the culprit know. (LogOut/ ", HMS Ganges as a warship (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). From it came bloodcurdling cries of command, so frightening that I most surely would have obeyed them myself, if had I understood what they meant. Tangible progress to transform a former Suffolk naval training base into nearly 300 homes, a sports park, shops and a GP surgery could be seen once the coronavirus lockdown is over. Through the year the training was intense, probably a good thing, it gave us little time to regret joining the navy. "They had a hard life, but they were fed and looked after. Who would have believed us, this was 1955 words like pedophile and sexual abuse were unheard of. Change), You are commenting using your Twitter account. There was a seamanship officer at the boat sheds. Ganges training establishment. The greatest fear was of messing up, this meant the whole class was punished. She had taken on the previous duties from the wooden ship H.M.S. Download Citation | On Feb 1, 2023, Olivier Champagne and others published Future change in amplitude and timing of high-flow events in a Canadian subarctic watershed | Find, read and cite all the . 4 reviews When Peter Broadbent entered HMS Ganges, the toughest training establishment for young recruits to the Royal Navy, he was a naive 15-year-old Yorkshire schoolboy, entranced with the idea of seeing the world, proud of his drainpipe trousers and DA hairstyle, and eager to meet girls. I was sent to the training Ship HMS Ganges a cruel harsh 12 months lay ahead of me and thousands of other boys. inaccuracy or intrusion, then please He was sitting on a stool and told me to stand in front of him and begin. Standing at 143ft, the mast is made up of three main parts; the main 75ft mast came from HMS Cordelia, a steam corvette built in Portsmouth, the top mast of 47.5 ft wooden ruffle box from HMS Agincourt, which was renamed HMS Boscawen, and then Ganges II. HMS Ganges as a training ship in the 1900s, HMS Ganges being broken up after training was transferred to the land base at Shotley, The boys climbed the mast whenever the base received high-status visitors, and as part of their training, The sailors in training doing exercises outside the gym, The honours board from the HMS Ganges, showing the victories of all the Royal Navy ships bearing the name. HMS Ganges was the name given to several Royal Navy ships since from 1779, but in 1905 it was chosen as title for a new training base at Shotley Gate, near Ipswich where about 500 boy recruits were stationed. HMS GANGES AT HIGHNAM COURT, GLOUCESTERSHIRE, 1940 - 1942. She was based alternately in Falmouth, Harwich (from 1899) and Shotley (from 1905). yes I was there in 92 .Essex, Nolfolk , Herts Suffolk and Cambs police all used it. Jim Gitsham, chairman of the Shotley branch of the HMS Ganges Association, said: "Members will be delighted that he's going down. This site is part of Newsquest's audited local newspaper network. Tony Hayden. Offenders, known in the Navy as "defaulters", were mustered every morning and went before the Captain for a formal hearing, where they could be "awarded" up to 12 "cuts" -- very hard strokes of An appeal by Woolverstone Parish Council was turned down two years later. Were you a 'button boy'? Each of us was required to construct a printing block using letters carved in wood. I arrived at Ganges in the late afternoon on March 15th 1955, along with roughly a hundred other fifteen year old boys. I was out of there in an instant, but never said a word to anyone, I was just happy it was over and I had qualified. 5.0 out of 5 stars A real trip down memory lane. I had thought that our group were the only sailors, if we dared call ourselves that, in this annexe, but I was soon to discover there was a continuous rotation of faces, each at various stages of initiation, a small factory taking in baby civilians at one end and throwing out almost sailors into the real HMS Ganges at the other. Contents 1 Foundation and early history 1.1 Allegations of abuse 2 Ganges at Harwich 3 Ganges at Shotley 3.1 1906 changes 3.2 Later developments 3.3 First World War 3.4 Post war developments 3.5 Ganges in the Second World War 3.6 Postwar and closure 4 References 5 External links Speaking about the current state of the site, Mr Jones said: "All of the messes have been demolished, as have the laundry and the generators. All thanks to my Instructor CMEM LUCKENS . Reaching high into the sunlit sky stood the mast; its yardarms spread wide like a giant crucifix. Bob Roberts. the top rung of a six foot ladder is about my limit! Several tales about bullying and the harsh regime generally, not so much about the famous and frequent official canings. The culprit was brought before the Commanders table, the punishment was awarded as six or twelve cuts. Martin Foster was treasurer for veterans who served at HMS Ganges training base in Sufffolk. Crowds of boys from HMS Ganges would visit Ipswich when they were given a day off from the harsh naval discipline at Shotley. Report abuse. Read about our approach to external linking. St George IOM Boys training 3/5/45 Christmas leave 45 took all kit and returned to Ipswich station, then by the ubiquitous 3 ton Bedford to Shotley where we reopened HMS Ganges as a boys establishment. "I remember another of the Ganges boys, they were talking to a visitor at the museum, and she said 'it was quite brutal, wasn't it? HMS Ganges is situated on the Shotley Peninsula in Suffolk. After eating I dashed down to the boat sheds to report for my test. She was established as a boys' training establishment in 1865, and was based aboard a number of hulks before moving ashore. The previous evening I'd arrived at HMS Ganges training annexe, with an assortment of other would-be-sailors, and was placed in the capable hands of a spotty-faced junior instructor and a bullet-proof gunnery instructor who wore crossed guns on both lapels. The cinemas would be packed with rows of Ganges boys in uniform and the caf at the corner of St Stephen's Lane would sell them many cups of tea as they waited for their bus back to Shotley. attempted to climb to the top of the mast, Harry and Meghan told to 'vacate' Frogmore Cottage, Explosive found in check-in luggage at US airport, Fungus case forces Jack Daniels to halt construction, Aboriginal spears taken in 1770 to return to Sydney, China and Belarus call for peace in Ukraine, Rare Jurassic-era bug found at Arkansas Walmart. ( Royal Naval Detention Quarters RNDQs Portsmouth), Listen to No Flowers for Geordie on SoundCloud. I knew a gentleman who said when he was at Ganges in 1947 he had his first taste of hot food. The money belonged to the HMS Ganges Association for people who served at the former naval training base at Shotley Gate near Ipswich, Suffolk. Thus was the nature of Ganges harsh training regime. Padre Weekes was always good for a fag and Jim Conroy (PTI) taught me to yodel. This page is dedicated to the memory of Tony whose commitment to the Royal Navy and especially HMS Ganges was unlimited. The training was tough, brutal at times, yet many of those who came through remember HMS Ganges, at Shotley Gate, with a certain fondness. 1976. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Editors' Code of Practice. Saw your message. Read about our approach to external linking. Maybe we were unlucky with Instructors as one was Court Marshalled, discharged and sent to prison for so called abuse. This site uses cookies. Im quite sure few if any boys receiving cuts ever thought to run away again. 1907. Realizing his mistake he fought back and with no way out he had no choice but to work his ticket. Sad to see such an establishment close as it was so full of history and meant so much to so many. The HMS Ganges site was initially opened in 1904 acted as a boys training facility for the Royal Navy. She was established as a boys' training establishment in 1865, and was based aboard a number of hulks before moving ashore. The site was closed in 1976 and was used as a maaried quarter estate by the RAF. St George IOM Boys training 3/5/45 Christmas leave 45 took all kit and returned to Ipswich station, then by the ubiquitous 3 ton Bedford to Shotley where we reopened HMS Ganges as a boys establishment. Most boys just wanted to complete their year and go to sea. First Royal Navy ship to visit Eire, post independence? Editors' Code of Practice. Write to Dave Kindred, Kindred Spirits, Evening Star, 30 Lower Brook Street, Ipswich IP4 1AN. Developers Wavensmere Homes and Galliard Homes plan to build almost 300 homes on the site and include a restored mast in the development. Graduating from Ganges held the promise of better times ahead, we would be real sailors, excited at the prospect of visiting far off and exotic lands. The kindly chef asked me whether I intended to eat the mountain of food I'd heaped on my plate or climb it! This website and associated newspapers adhere to the Independent Press Standards Organisation's She remained in service at RNTE Shotley until October 1976. Artist's impression showing the view across a residential street at the redeveloped HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. I was at Ganges in 1955 and went to visit Shotley in 2005 and was surprised to see police signs near the old swimming baths. ", The sailors in training doing exercises outside the gym (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). I joined up in 1968,three years after my brother, he hated it I was one off the sad ones that loved it, even the kit musters on the mast! 1914. Commander was Trick and a good egg. October, new Shore Establishment created and commissioned as Royal Navy Training Establishment, Shotley. He was the officer that tested us when we endeavoured to qualify with a bosuns pipe. Mr Youngman, who joined the navy aged 15 in 1965, said he had previously climbed up to the top of the mast but "couldn't wait to get back down". He was an Electricians Mate Class 1 and served in, 12/03/35-09/01/36 HMS Ganges. Create a free website or blog at WordPress.com. He was subsequently dismissed from the service and returned to civilian life. Some 100 boy-sailors were in the canteen, chewing and chattering; clattering knives forks and spoons against plates and bowls. For spite I think, because it wasn't compulsory. These were all regular happenings at Ganges. She was based alternately in Falmouth, Harwich and Shotley . HMS Ganges is a little bit different though, because they have to get the spine road in first and do some prep work. Royal Navy 238217 Boy 1st Class HMS Ganges II. Abuse Details. 1905 - 1976 Registered in England & Wales | 01676637 |. The one chippy bugger who thought it good fun to make you spar with him in the wash room (Annexe) I met up with in the Far Flung and gave him more than he gave me. Probably running away was the worse decision, they were always caught and returned to the camp. GANGES was the shore training establishment for boy entrants into the Royal Navy from 1905 until 1976. HP10 9TY. On his 15th Birthday he was sent, with 2000 other boys, to the notorious HMS Ganges training establishment at Shotley Point where a harsh regime held sway. The cold water often caused some boys to duck in and out of the water quickly or sometimes not at all. But, because of the lockdown nothing has really moved and I think, even though construction workers havent leagally been told theyre not allowed to do anything, the owners are a bit reluctant to move. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS, Aerial artist's impression of one of the green spaces earmarked for the former HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. in the RN with the nickname Doc. HMS Ganges. Welcome to Forces Reunited the place where you can find information and friends from HMS Ganges. During the third disastrous week, it spent so much time on the deck I thought I might as well leave it there! 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He was sentenced at Portsmouth Crown Court. Such a tragedy that this historical place has been left to rot. There's something to be said for finding how finding out how good you are at living with other people, and finding respect for yourself. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. The mast was erected in 1907 for boy entrant training purposes using the lower foremast (steel) from HMS Cordelia (1881) with other sections from the mizzen mast of HMS Agincourt (1865). For breakfast porridge was on offer, that salt-coated gruel I'd been forced to eat every morning of my schoolboy days. . and for those of you who served at ganges and who have't joined the association go on..nothing to lose and you'll find a lot of old shipmates there!! JavaScript is disabled. "A lot of the boys came from foster homes, or Barnardos. . Picture: SARAH LUCY BROWN, Artist's impression showing the view across a residential street at the redeveloped HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. HMS Ganges moved moorings from Harwich to Shotley. We had just finished PT before going to supper, so I was in shorts. Picture: SARAH LUCY BROWN (Image: Archant). When the Gunnery Instructor was finally satisfied, you put the lot back in your locker as before. While the training ship was originally based in Cornwall, she was moved to Harwich, and then Shotley in the 1890s, in order to be closer to a centre of population. CPO (OPS) (EW) Served from 1966 - 1991 Served in HMS Ganges. . First Royal Navy ship to visit Eire, post independence? "Most of what was on the site went to the naval museum in Portsmouth, but we have the honours board and figurehead from the original ship. GANGES; the ship had previously anchored out in the harbour below, at Shotley Gate, on the east coast opposite Harwich. I came across a clip on youtube that really saddened me and it tells its own story about the UK as it is now and the real fact that such things as pride, standards etc have long been lost and decay and neglect are the order of the day, I do not need to walk very far from my home to see with my own eyes the evidence all around me. HMS Ganges was a "stone frigate" or land-based institution for the Royal Navy, and between 1905 and 1976 was one of the key training bases used to prepare sailors to defend Great Britain. Harry and Meghan told to 'vacate' Frogmore Cottage, Explosive found in check-in luggage at US airport, Fungus case forces Jack Daniels to halt construction, Rare Jurassic-era bug found at Arkansas Walmart, China and Belarus call for peace in Ukraine. HMS Ganges - part of front gate Having completed the New Entry training over at the Annex (I think it took six weeks), we then marched over to Drake 39 mess over in the Main Establishment. RM B54PCM - Twiggy the baby elephant was half an hour late for her appointment to 'tow of the premises', the 47 year old Captain Derek Napper Napper, skipper of HMS Ganges the naval training school at Shotley Suffolk, and found she had been replaced by a couple of horses. Roe told me "I don't like you." To get to the platform you would climb out over the Devil's Elbow, legs dangling in the air, only your grip keeping you from certain death. If you have a complaint about the editorial content which relates to HMS Ganges closed on June 6. According to the HMS Ganges Museum, her timbers were used to make objects including a grand staircase on an estate, and a cocktail bar in a small hotel, both in Devon. HMS Ganges was also known as Shotley Training Establishment . Maurice was nothing to do with HMS Ganges, in fact he had been a crew member of HMS Hambledon. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 16 June 2021 . NO FLOWERS FOR GEORDIE, HE'S NOT HERE TODAYTHE SEA HAS CLAIMED MY GEORDIE BOYPLEASE NO FLOWERS TODAYFIFTEEN YEARS OF LEARNING, HE'LL NOT GO DOWN THE MINESO WE TOOK HIM NEAR TO IPSWICH TOWNFAR FROM THE SEAMS OF THE TYNEIN A PLACE THEY STILL CALL 'GANGES' WITH TWO THOUSAND OTHER BOYSHE LEARNED TO SPLICE AND SAIL A BOATTALL ORDERS WERE HIS TOYSTHE 'BULLY BOYS' CAME NIGHTLY, DID THINGS A BOY COUNDN'T TELLBUT THEY MADE HIM WRITE IN HIS LETTERS HOME MAMMA YOU'R BOY'S DOIN WELLTHEN NEWS CAME OF SOME FIGHTING IN A FAR OFF DISTANT LANDWE NEED THOSE BOYS THUS SPAKE FOUR RINGSIN OUR BIG SHIPS THEY CAN RIDEIT'S WRITTEN ON HIS PAPERS, TWAS NOT THE DEED OF A MAN BUT A WAVE THAT TOOK MY GEORDIE BOYFIVE MILES OFF PLYMOUTH SOUNDSO NO FLOWERS FOR GEORDIE HE'S NOT HERE TODAY THE SEA HAS CLAIMED MY GEORDIE BOYPLEASE NO FLOWERS TODAY. Crowned on June 2, 1953, at the age of 25, Elizabeth II went on to have the longest reign for a British queen. ", The honours board from the HMS Ganges, showing the victories of all the Royal Navy ships bearing the name (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). Helpful. they said. inaccuracy or intrusion, then please But this was Ganges, we never got away with anything. RO1 (T) Served from 1970 - 1975 Served in HMS Ganges. I had already taught myself to swim. LRO (G) Served from 1975 - 1998 Served in HMS Ganges. At the tip of the Shotley peninsular sits a cluster of abandoned buildings that were once home to hundreds of young lads right at the start of their lives at sea. The overall height is 143 feet 10 inches, with the button being 11 inches diameter and 3 inches thick. Network 157.90../16 Abuse Contact API. Even by naval training standards life there was controlled by a very strict regime. The mast has been a local landmark since it was erected a century ago this year at the end of the Shotley peninsular. 1927. There was also a degree of sexual abuse going on at Ganges, but we boys were too scared to ever complain or report such incidents. It. H.M.S. If you are dissatisfied with the response provided you can From the annexe, I had sometimes seen it, partly hidden by snowy skies as it towered above the buildings, and it looked frightening then, but now, marching beneath its cobweb rigging, it looked truly awesome. May 46 to HMS Wakeful, Training Flotilla for a twelve-week tour from . I would like to see the mast and museum moved to the safety of HMS Raleigh though to ensure its upkeep and maintenance. It was hoped that Developers Haylink Ltd would start work early this year, but their plans were scuppered by the Covid-19 pandemic. contact IPSO here, 2001-2023. HMS Ganges was a training ship and later stone frigate of the Royal Navy. The showers usually took place at the crack of dawn, summer or winter we ran from the barrack towel around our waist to the showers. One person found this helpful. Roger Jones, chairman at the HMS Ganges Museum said: "HMS Ganges was originally a ship of the wooden wall, launched in 1821. The HMS Ganges training base, which opened in 1905, closed in 1976 and has remained derelict. We were ushered in as a group of naked boys and told to wash thoroughly. There were stories of many similar violations but none ever reported. The skipper was HS McKenzie who went FOSM. contact IPSO here, 2001-2023. Early in 1940 Admiralty decided to close Ganges as a Boys Training Establishment and in April it became a Hostilities Only Training Establishment. Unfortunately HMS Ganges is no longer there apart from a few buildings and what is left of the mast. JavaScript is disabled. This website and associated newspapers adhere to the Independent Press Standards Organisation's Work on the scheme, which would see 285 new homes, a 60-bed nursing home, a large retail space and areas for medical services, will not be started until a spine road through the site, which will take the bulk of construction traffic away from main roads, is built. "In 1860 she was decommissioned and laid up, and in 1866 she was turned into a training ship, and her guns were removed. I recall watching a boy, who had been thrown in the deep end of the swimming pool, struggling in the water while a sadistic instructor smiled, saying, 'Look what happens if you can't bloody well swim?' We were ushered in as a group of naked boys and told to wash thoroughly. Learn how your comment data is processed. Yes, I got it wrong! Boys were permitted to march through the streets of Ipswich with bayonets fixed. As a subscriber, you are shown 80% less display advertising when reading our articles. 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